The Never Ending Story...

Post by **JohnMayo** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:28 am

After Batman RIP ended, Dan Didio was quoted as saying that the Batman RIP story really ended in Final Crisis #6.

Well, now Final Crisis #6 is out and Dan Didio is quoted as saying that the story really ends in Final Crisis #7:

6. Let’s talk about Final Crisis #6 – the book, as you mentioned, did well for you, and sold out, but that was the “conclusive” death of Batman, despite the conclusion of the “Batman R.I.P.” storyline in the Batman series in December – and no one really paid attention. I mean – you showed the body...?

DD: I agree – and as I said, the book did sell out, but also, it’s issue #6 of a 7-part series, so that issue #7 is one of the things that we want people to read to understand the full scope of the story that’s unfolding.

Also, we’ve been pretty upfront about what our plans are for Batman and the Batman family, and I think that everyone needs to hang on until Final Crisis #7 hits the stands. Following that, we can open up the discussion on our publicity for it.

Any bets on where Dan Didio will say that the story really ends after Final Crisis #7 is published?[/quote]

HipHopHead · Post by **HipHopHead** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:45 am

I was just about to post the same thing. Final Crisis #7 will tell a story that is "Unfolding"? The final book in the series is "Unfolding"?!?!

So be prepared for "Dark Crisis"

Koete · Post by **Koete** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:47 am

Frank Castle · Post by **Frank Castle** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:29 pm

And DC wonders why they can't get the media attention that Marvel did for when Cap died.

thefreakytiki · Post by **thefreakytiki** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:39 pm

Do you think this may be a by product of the Morrison/Didio rewrite spat we heard about?

the Tiki

Post by **JohnMayo** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:21 pm

thefreakytiki wrote:Do you think this may be a by product of the Morrison/Didio rewrite spat we heard about?

the Tiki

I'd be more likely to chalk it up to the writing style of Morrison and the marketing style of Didio resulting in a perfect storm of unfortunate Events.

HassanT · Post by **HassanT** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:34 pm

I put more of the blame of the guy in charge: Dido.

Keep in mind that the story to Final Crisis began in Countdown 51; May 7, 2008.

This isn't the only example of the never ending story

DC Decisions leads into the second Titans arc that leads into a huge Titans crossover. But there isn't a complete story yet told in all of it.

This is why the number of DC titles that I buy have been shrinking and shrinking.

Koete · Post by **Koete** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:48 pm

HassanT wrote: Keep in mind that the story to Final Crisis began in Countdown 51; May 7, 2008.

I've been trying to forget.

Post by **JohnMayo** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:52 pm

HassanT wrote: I put more of the blame of the guy in charge: Dido.

Fair enough. He is the guy in charge.

HassanT wrote: Keep in mind that the story to Final Crisis began in Countdown 51; May 7, 2008.

But I thought that didn't count against Final Crisis since Grant Morrison didn't write it and has been ignoring it. At least that is what I'm told when I point out how it and Final Crisis don't jive on little things like continuity.

HassanT wrote: This isn't the only example of the never ending story

Sad but true...

HassanT wrote: DC Decisions leads into the second Titans arc that leads into a huge Titans crossover. But there isn't a complete story yet told in all of it.

And probably never will be. I'd be more okay with this if it didn't fly in the face of the material by Wolfman/Perez and the excellent characterization of Jericho from back then.

HassanT wrote: This is why the number of DC titles that I buy have been shrinking and shrinking.

Understandable...

HassanT · Post by **HassanT** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 8:21 am

JohnMayo wrote:
HassanT wrote: I put more of the blame of the guy in charge: Dido.
Fair enough. He is the guy in charge.

HassanT wrote: Keep in mind that the story to Final Crisis began in Countdown 51; May 7, 2008.
But I thought that didn't count against Final Crisis since Grant Morrison didn't write it and has been ignoring it. At least that is what I'm told when I point out how it and Final Crisis don't jive on little things like continuity.

I think both thoughts are valid. You can (as I have) criticize DC for the whole Countdown to Final Crisis since this was an editorial direction for the whole line. However, Morrison had no control over what DC did to get to Final Crisis (although he is part of the mess of RIP and FC).

So in other words, if you don't like the whole Countdown to FC, blame DC.

If you don't like the story in Final Crisis, blame Morrison (and Didio).

And for Jericho, it does contradict what Wolfman and Perez did, which were essentially the best creators on Titans ever. I am this close in dropping the whole Titans line. And not to go on tangent, but with DC's horrible editorial direction and their desire to have massive crossovers (like the 90s), I think they are going to lose more readers than gain. It isn't that crossovers don't work, but bad crossovers have the opposite effect. Except for Superman and Green Lantern books, I have little faith in DC at this point.

BobBretall · Post by **BobBretall** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:06 am

HassanT wrote:....with DC's horrible editorial direction and their desire to have massive crossovers (like the 90s), I think they are going to lose more readers than gain. It isn't that crossovers don't work, but bad crossovers have the opposite effect. Except for Superman and Green Lantern books, I have little faith in DC at this point.

I would tend to agree.

You will soon have to add Flash to the "good" list, though, with Johns & VanSciver on Flash: Rebirth.

Tops for me will be the following families of titles: Superman / GL / Flash
(JSA is pretty good too....)

Alec Burkhardt · Post by **Alec Burkhardt** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:34 am

BobBretall wrote:Tops for me will be the following families of titles: Superman / GL / Flash
(JSA is pretty good too....)

So basically what you're saying is Geoff Johns led titles.

Not that I'd argue with that, as remove Supes and that's pretty much my DCU pull list as well.

HassanT · Post by **HassanT** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:55 am

BobBretall wrote:
HassanT wrote:....with DC's horrible editorial direction and their desire to have massive crossovers (like the 90s), I think they are going to lose more readers than gain. It isn't that crossovers don't work, but bad crossovers have the opposite effect. Except for Superman and Green Lantern books, I have little faith in DC at this point.
I would tend to agree.

You will soon have to add Flash to the "good" list, though, with Johns & VanSciver on Flash: Rebirth.

Tops for me will be the following families of titles: Superman / GL / Flash
(JSA is pretty good too....)

Since the JSA doesn't have a line of related books (or the Flash) I didn't mentioned them. But, yes ... any book that is connected to Geoff Johns is great and must-buy. In fact, my favorite books are still DC books (written by Johns). What is sad is that once I get past the Johns books, the other DC books seemed to fall off the cliff in terms of quality and entertainment.

HassanT · Post by **HassanT** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:32 am

One additional comment to the DC "lines", I do think DC is putting out too many Superman family books. When Superman Secret Origins hits, they would have 5 monthly Superman family titles for awhile (yes, two are limited series but still) Although I have enjoyed the Superman titles, I can't get myself to buy 5 Superman family books a month, as I want to get other books as well (i.e. Agents of Atlas). I will probably end up dropping Supergirl and get the rest.

zack kruse · Post by **zack kruse** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:38 pm

HassanT wrote:I put more of the blame of the guy in charge: Dido.

Keep in mind that the story to Final Crisis began in Countdown 51; May 7, 2008.

....shhhhhhh.

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