Dave Sim's glamourpuss #2 (out in July, images now!)

ctowner1 · Post by **ctowner1** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:52 pm

The next issue of Dave Sim's glamourpuss comes out next month, here are some advance images for your viewing pleasure!

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BobBretall · Post by **BobBretall** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:35 pm

I love Dave's art, I'm buying Glamourpuss mostly to marvel at the art.....

Alec Burkhardt · Post by **Alec Burkhardt** » Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:55 pm

JLAFan wrote:I love Dave's art, I'm buying Glamourpuss mostly to marvel at the art.....

mostly? I think I'm buying it solely to marvel at the art.

Although the history aspect isn't bad; the attempt to artificially impose some story element could go away for all I care about it.

BobBretall · Post by **BobBretall** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:45 am

Alec Burkhardt wrote:
JLAFan wrote:I love Dave's art, I'm buying Glamourpuss mostly to marvel at the art.....
mostly? I think I'm buying it solely to marvel at the art.

Touche!

ctowner1 · Post by **ctowner1** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:42 pm

Here's some more glamourpuss-related imagery:

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ctowner1 · Post by **ctowner1** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:46 pm

Alec Burkhardt wrote:
JLAFan wrote:I love Dave's art, I'm buying Glamourpuss mostly to marvel at the art.....
mostly? I think I'm buying it solely to marvel at the art.
Although the history aspect isn't bad; the attempt to artificially impose some story element could go away for all I care about it.

I agree with your comments about the "story" - but Dave himself said in gp#1 that it's all really just an excuse for him to draw pretty women, which he likes to do. I think of the "story" here in the same way I think of the "story" in a porn movie! lol (ok, that's an exaggeration, but..).

OTOH, I think you're to easily downplaying the excellent history/examination of photrealism - the words add to my enjopyment of the pictures. Which is intersting when you think of it: Dave is using the combination of words and pictures in sequence to evoke a response from the reader. That's the traditional definition of comics/sequential art - and yet here he's doing it in a completely way than traditonally thought.

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BobBretall · Post by **BobBretall** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:00 pm

I'm not too thrilled with the Zombie-GP......let's stick to the glamorous imagery, Dave!

ctowner1 · Post by **ctowner1** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:43 am

JLAFan wrote:I'm not too thrilled with the Zombie-GP......let's stick to the glamorous imagery, Dave!

Point taken, Bob. How's about a double dose for the weekend then:

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BobBretall · Post by **BobBretall** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:33 am

Now THAT'S what I like to see.....

Alec Burkhardt · Post by **Alec Burkhardt** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:42 pm

ctowner1 wrote: I agree with your comments about the "story" - but Dave himself said in gp#1 that it's all really just an excuse for him to draw pretty women, which he likes to do. I think of the "story" here in the same way I think of the "story" in a porn movie! lol (ok, that's an exaggeration, but..).

Oh, I'm aware that the story is something Dave has said is largely just something that is being constructed around his interest in drawing pretty women, but I'd be fine if he just drew the pictures. From the sounds of interview with Dave, it sounds like he feels putting some "story" around it is necessary to get the retailers to order it and comic book fans to buy it. Perhaps he's correct, but I think that the "story" being what it is, is just as like to cause people to not buy the book.

OTOH, I think you're to easily downplaying the excellent history/examination of photrealism - the words add to my enjopyment of the pictures. Which is intersting when you think of it: Dave is using the combination of words and pictures in sequence to evoke a response from the reader. That's the traditional definition of comics/sequential art - and yet here he's doing it in a completely way than traditonally thought.

Well, I'm only able to evaluate the first issue so far, so at this point I'll stand by my "the history aspect isn't bad" comment. But that is also influenced by the fact that I actually have on occasion read books on the history of the medium. Obviously for those who haven't read the history before, this element should have more of an impact. But that's true for any book about history - the more you have already read, the less another books adds. I expect that as we go along, the history/examination will become more important to my experience as well.

ctowner1 · Post by **ctowner1** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:57 am

Some more glamourpuss-y goodness:

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ctowner1 · Post by **ctowner1** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:01 am

Alec Burkhardt wrote:
ctowner1 wrote: I agree with your comments about the "story" - but Dave himself said in gp#1 that it's all really just an excuse for him to draw pretty women, which he likes to do. I think of the "story" here in the same way I think of the "story" in a porn movie! lol (ok, that's an exaggeration, but..).
Oh, I'm aware that the story is something Dave has said is largely just something that is being constructed around his interest in drawing pretty women, but I'd be fine if he just drew the pictures. From the sounds of interview with Dave, it sounds like he feels putting some "story" around it is necessary to get the retailers to order it and comic book fans to buy it. Perhaps he's correct, but I think that the "story" being what it is, is just as like to cause people to not buy the book.

Unfortunately, I think you're right here. And because of that, I'd be surprised if this book makes it more than a handful of issues. but I'm hoping the great substance of the book will somehow enable it to overcome its trappings. I think the plan is to do around 24 issues. So we shall see...

OTOH, I think you're to easily downplaying the excellent history/examination of photrealism - the words add to my enjopyment of the pictures. Which is intersting when you think of it: Dave is using the combination of words and pictures in sequence to evoke a response from the reader. That's the traditional definition of comics/sequential art - and yet here he's doing it in a completely way than traditonally thought.
Well, I'm only able to evaluate the first issue so far, so at this point I'll stand by my "the history aspect isn't bad" comment. But that is also influenced by the fact that I actually have on occasion read books on the history of the medium. Obviously for those who haven't read the history before, this element should have more of an impact. But that's true for any book about history - the more you have already read, the less another books adds. I expect that as we go along, the history/examination will become more important to my experience as well.

What books are out there on photorealism in comics? AKAIK, this is the first. I'd love to learn about others.

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Alec Burkhardt · Post by **Alec Burkhardt** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:03 pm

ctowner1 wrote: What books are out there on photorealism in comics? AKAIK, this is the first. I'd love to learn about others.

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I wasn't thinking of books specifically about photorealism, but a more broader coverage of the people and strips mentioned in issue 1. This is why I hope the history/discussion of photorealism will be of increasing interest to me as the series continues, but in issue one I didn't find it all that extraordinary. But that's to be expected in a first issue - it was just a start of the discussion. Whether or not it becomes of greater interest/value to me in the future, is still an open question and I can easily see it going either way. Not being an artist myself, or having any interest in learning how to draw myself, this discussion could easily become something that doesn't add much of value for me. Or it could be a fascinating discussion that I'm interested in regardless of my lack of drawing. At which point I'm down to buying it solely for the wonderful art. But I'm still buying the book.

ctowner1 · Post by **ctowner1** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:48 pm

Alec Burkhardt wrote:
ctowner1 wrote: What books are out there on photorealism in comics? AKAIK, this is the first. I'd love to learn about others.

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I wasn't thinking of books specifically about photorealism, but a more broader coverage of the people and strips mentioned in issue 1.

OK..what books are out there that examine the artwork of Alex Raymond, Al Williamson, and Milt Caniff, and how they relate to each other interms of influences, etc? Because that seems to be a main thrust of what Dave is dealign with in glamourpuss.

This is why I hope the history/discussion of photorealism will be of increasing interest to me as the series continues, but in issue one I didn't find it all that extraordinary. But that's to be expected in a first issue - it was just a start of the discussion. Whether or not it becomes of greater interest/value to me in the future, is still an open question and I can easily see it going either way. Not being an artist myself, or having any interest in learning how to draw myself, this discussion could easily become something that doesn't add much of value for me. Or it could be a fascinating discussion that I'm interested in regardless of my lack of drawing. At which point I'm down to buying it solely for the wonderful art. But I'm still buying the book.

I'd prbably buy it for that reason, too - but I much prefer to get the comics history lesson/analyss as well!

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BobBretall · Post by **BobBretall** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:30 pm

Some good points made on the thread.

Lenny, any plans for Dave to put some essays/discussions into GP discussing photo-realism & the influences the various creators whose styles he is mirroring influenced him & others??