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Beginning in May, Liefeld will take on new creative responsibilities for three of the initial New 52, including writing and illustrating "Deathstroke" and plotting "The Savage Hawkman" and "Grifter."
I'm confused ... did Tony Daniels or Nathan Edmondson ask for help? Because it would seem to me that "plotting" is the easiest part of the creation process. Actually writing the script is the hard part isn't it? And is Liefeld known for excellent ..... anything?
I already dropped Deathstroke but I would have dropped it when Rob took over art. Hawkman I can't decide if I want to drop or not. Grifter I was really enjoying and I like Edmondson's work, so we'll have to see how much influence this "plotting" has on the book.
Going out on a limb here ... perhaps a very strong limb ... and say that these titles are the next on the chopping block. Lessening my stronghold and saying that VOODOO and CAPTAIN ATOM will not be far behind
Perry wrote:Going out on a limb here ... perhaps a very strong limb ... and say that these titles are the next on the chopping block. Lessening my stronghold and saying that VOODOO and CAPTAIN ATOM will not be far behind
I would say that the DC is making changes to the low tier books in order to try to get more reader excitement for those books. I am not saying it is going to work or not, but I guess it is better to try it rather than sticking to something that is perceived not "working out" by them.
While I agree in principal with what you are saying Hassan, I don't see how putting more responsibility on one of the talents that has had his book canceled, as being a huge step in the right direction.
Will more people buy these books due to the increased excitement level brought by Liefeld?
Perry wrote:While I agree in principal with what you are saying Hassan, I don't see how putting more responsibility on one of the talents that has had his book canceled, as being a huge step in the right direction.
Will more people buy these books due to the increased excitement level brought by Liefeld?
That is a good question. Was the book cancelled because of Liefeld or because Hawk and Dove doesn't sell? I don't know the answer. It might be some of both. It might not. Maybe I think it is a better fit for the character and the creator. Personally, I like the current creative team better.
Although other companies have move creators off cancelled books to new books. Look at Daniel Acuña. He was on Externals and then Black Widow, both books that were cancelled. Now he is on the Avengers, Marvel's "top" selling book.
HassanT wrote:
Although other companies have move creators off cancelled books to new books. Look at Daniel Acuña. He was on Externals and then Black Widow, both books that were cancelled. Now he is on the Avengers, Marvel's "top" selling book.
Yes, where the 'excitement' or at least sales were already there.
I am not saying that Liefeld won't save these books, or that these books are even in danger of being canceled ... I know neither, even though I hinted at the possibility being good. I do know that Rob Liefeld being on these books does nothing to make me want to pick them up. If it entices others to do so then DC made a great move.
Beginning in May, Liefeld will take on new creative responsibilities for three of the initial New 52, including writing and illustrating "Deathstroke" and plotting "The Savage Hawkman" and "Grifter."
I'm confused ... did Tony Daniels or Nathan Edmondson ask for help? Because it would seem to me that "plotting" is the easiest part of the creation process. Actually writing the script is the hard part isn't it? And is Liefeld known for excellent ..... anything?
Nathan Edmondon's last issue of Grifter is issue #8, on his twitter feed he say there is an announcement of something else on Monday for him.
Personally, I wonder how much of this announcement has been muddied because of the horrendous bullying that Liefeld receives online.
The man plotted X-Force back in 1992, and Fabian Nicieza has previously come out and said that Rob Liefeld did the heavy lifting and doesn't receive enough credit.
Rob Liefeld was the man who got Alan Moore on Supreme. who has probably created the most successful characters to appear in comics since 1990.
I currently get Grifter and Hawkman, and I'm looking forward to see how his creativity takes these books forward.
IGN: You've dabbled in writing throughout your career, but it seems as though this is the year you are committing to it pretty heavily. Are you finding any benefits to writing material that someone else will be drawing? By the same token, how do your experiences as an artist inform your writing style, if at all?
Liefeld: Well my first writing assignment, taking over New Mutants with issue #98 turned out well for all parties. We live in a Marvel Universe that has multiple Deadpool titles, where Cable is currently destroying the Avengers and X-Force is the most popular X-Men title. I'd say as a writer/creator I over-performed in my role.
and from the rest of interview. IMPORTANTLY (to counter a lot of comments on other sites that seem to think Rob was just gifted the gigs):
IGN: Can you talk a little bit about how the Hawkman gig came about? Was this a pitch you had for the character or were approached for the assignment?
Liefeld: They asked, I pitched and here we are.
and to keep happy the Wildstorm Fan in me
IGN: It's become somewhat of a standard question when discussing characters like Grifter or Voodoo, but are there any plans to introduce some other WildCATs characters during your stay on the title?
Liefeld: You have to pick up the book and see. I will tell you that I have Wildstorm characters in all 3 titles I'm producing. Pike anyone?
Glad you're excited about the changes and I hope others ... many others, jump on as well. I will not be one.
This is not a personal attack at Rob Liefeld, his fans or anyone else involved in the decision to place him in those DC books. I have no issues with Rob Liefeld personally at all. None. But I do not enjoy his comic work. My statements were not meant as the normal 'bullying' tactics, but just a voiced opinion on my tastes, but hey, when it comes to taste, the wife says I have "none".
Paul Nolan wrote:the bullying tactics don't come from this site. I like coming here because its decent grown up discussions.
Yeah, I agree. I think on this message board, we would disagree on things, which is great, but there is really no "bullying" done. What we have on this message board are discussions and rarely we have people that all they want to do is force their opinions on others.
IGN: You've dabbled in writing throughout your career, but it seems as though this is the year you are committing to it pretty heavily. Are you finding any benefits to writing material that someone else will be drawing? By the same token, how do your experiences as an artist inform your writing style, if at all?
Liefeld: Well my first writing assignment, taking over New Mutants with issue #98 turned out well for all parties. We live in a Marvel Universe that has multiple Deadpool titles, where Cable is currently destroying the Avengers and X-Force is the most popular X-Men title. I'd say as a writer/creator I over-performed in my role.
and from the rest of interview. IMPORTANTLY (to counter a lot of comments on other sites that seem to think Rob was just gifted the gigs):
IGN: Can you talk a little bit about how the Hawkman gig came about? Was this a pitch you had for the character or were approached for the assignment?
Liefeld: They asked, I pitched and here we are.
and to keep happy the Wildstorm Fan in me
IGN: It's become somewhat of a standard question when discussing characters like Grifter or Voodoo, but are there any plans to introduce some other WildCATs characters during your stay on the title?
Liefeld: You have to pick up the book and see. I will tell you that I have Wildstorm characters in all 3 titles I'm producing. Pike anyone?
After reading that interview, I am more excited about these three titles than I was prior to the relaunch. Rob is also introducing new characters in Deathstroke and he has a pretty good track record of creating characters that last a long time.
I am also a big time Omega Men and Wildstorm fan, so the introduction of those characters to the books is a plus for me.
IGN: You've dabbled in writing throughout your career, but it seems as though this is the year you are committing to it pretty heavily. Are you finding any benefits to writing material that someone else will be drawing? By the same token, how do your experiences as an artist inform your writing style, if at all?
Liefeld: Well my first writing assignment, taking over New Mutants with issue #98 turned out well for all parties. We live in a Marvel Universe that has multiple Deadpool titles, where Cable is currently destroying the Avengers and X-Force is the most popular X-Men title. I'd say as a writer/creator I over-performed in my role.
That's kind of meaningless though. The X-Force today is just the same name, isn't it?
IGN: You've dabbled in writing throughout your career, but it seems as though this is the year you are committing to it pretty heavily. Are you finding any benefits to writing material that someone else will be drawing? By the same token, how do your experiences as an artist inform your writing style, if at all?
Liefeld: Well my first writing assignment, taking over New Mutants with issue #98 turned out well for all parties. We live in a Marvel Universe that has multiple Deadpool titles, where Cable is currently destroying the Avengers and X-Force is the most popular X-Men title. I'd say as a writer/creator I over-performed in my role.
That's kind of meaningless though. The X-Force today is just the same name, isn't it?
No it was born from the same premise too. X-Force = a proactive force in both Volumes.
If Liefeld hadn't created X-Force in 1992 we definitely wouldn't have got Remender's X-Force now.
