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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:28 pm
by abysslord
Trev wrote:Seems like they are trying to make him look younger and that involves Harry Potter glasses and an untucked shirt, I guess.
And with a relaunch people still can't see through that master disguise of glasses and slightly different hair style.

What cracked me up was in Nightwing. Someone attacks Dick, he disappears for a second to put on his "mask", then he comes out and the villain says "Hey, Dick has you protecting him huh?" Wow ....

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 10:29 am
by BobBretall
Trev wrote:Seems like they are trying to make him look younger and that involves Harry Potter glasses and an untucked shirt, I guess.
I guess young & hip people don't tuck in their shirts...... Does this make Clark Kent easier to identify with for 20-somethings???

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 10:33 am
by BobBretall
Didio says "No Crises!!"

http://www.facebook.com/dan.didio/posts/2477877106857
For those in crisis over Crisis, let me clarify. The topic of Crisis was much discussed among the editors and talent working on The New 52. With so many characters and histories restarting, major events like Crisis are harder to place when they work for some and not for others. (that was one of the problems coming out of the original Crisis). While we are starting aprx five years into our heroes’ lives, we are focused on the characters present and future, and past histories will be revealed as the stories dictate. Yes, there have been “crisis” in our characters lives, but they aren’t exactly the Crisis you read before, they can’t be. Now, what this means for characters seen and unseen…… well, that’s the fun of The New 52, infinite stories, infinite possibilities, with the best yet to come.
So when Hawk mentioned a "crisis", it was not what we thought it was.....

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:58 pm
by Gilgabob
I like continuity to be respected in general but I don't feel creative teams need to be a slave to it either. I have no problem with Didio's post

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:49 pm
by BadDeacon
To me, the existence, or lack of existence, of an in-continuity crisis involving an infinite number of earths, or just infinite in nature, has no impact on whether the comic I am reading is a good story or not.

Also, kinda interesting that Flashpoints trump Crisis.

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:23 am
by keith71_98
Love the Publisher Spotlights on the New 52. Just a lot of fun.

A couple of things that just show the amazing way comics work for some but not for others:

It week 2 of the podcasts, you guys gave a really favorable review of Mr. Terrific. I thought it was a really bad book and it's probably my least favorite book of the New 52. I felt it had some of the most artificial and forced racial dialogue I had ever seen and the art was a mess, mainly the wildly inconsistent faces.

On the flip side I enjoyed Grifter. Loved the art and never noticed the out of whack environments. The story had it's share of question marks, but I'm on board.

One more quick point. I remember DC saying a couple of different times that Green Lantern and Batman weren't going to change all that much in the New 52. I noticed you guys took points away from Green Lantern for not feeling fresh and new. But they never intended it to feel fresh and new. Being their best sellers, they are keeping them on track.

Anyway, just some points for discusion. Love the podcasts. Keep 'em coming!

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:30 am
by Trev
And yet batman is decidedly lighter in tone. Huh.

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:52 pm
by keith71_98
Trev wrote:And yet batman is decidedly lighter in tone. Huh.
Batman is clearly the better book. But Batman was also at an entirely different point in it's story. Bruce coming back, etc. After War of the Green Lanterns: Aftermath it was pretty clear that those events weren't going to be the way the old storyline ended.

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:56 pm
by BobBretall
keith71_98 wrote: It week 2 of the podcasts, you guys gave a really favorable review of Mr. Terrific. I thought it was a really bad book and it's probably my least favorite book of the New 52. I felt it had some of the most artificial and forced racial dialogue I had ever seen
I was on the fence about Mr. Terrific, it's not yet earned a slot on my pull list. I had some issues with the dialogue also.
keith71_98 wrote: One more quick point. I remember DC saying a couple of different times that Green Lantern and Batman weren't going to change all that much in the New 52. I noticed you guys took points away from Green Lantern for not feeling fresh and new. But they never intended it to feel fresh and new. Being their best sellers, they are keeping them on track.
I wasn't necessarily looking for the Batman/GL to be "fresh & new", but I WAS looking for them to be good #1 issues. There's a difference there.

Whether it was intended to be a "reboot/relaunch" or not, it still has a #1 on the cover.

If you put a #1 on the cover, you should go out of your way to make the book accessible and not have it feel like it's completely interchangeable as issue #68 of the previous series.

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:44 am
by keith71_98
BobBretall wrote: I was on the fence about Mr. Terrific, it's not yet earned a slot on my pull list. I had some issues with the dialogue also.
I was really frustrated with the book. I really like the character but hated the way he was portrayed here.
BobBretall wrote:
I wasn't necessarily looking for the Batman/GL to be "fresh & new", but I WAS looking for them to be good #1 issues. There's a difference there.

Whether it was intended to be a "reboot/relaunch" or not, it still has a #1 on the cover.

If you put a #1 on the cover, you should go out of your way to make the book accessible and not have it feel like it's completely interchangeable as issue #68 of the previous series.
That's a valid point. And Trev gets to the difference between GL #1 and Batman #1. Batman is a tighter yet more welcoming first issue. Anxious to hear the new podcast to get your takes on it.

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:26 am
by Trev
keith71_98 wrote:
BobBretall wrote: I was on the fence about Mr. Terrific, it's not yet earned a slot on my pull list. I had some issues with the dialogue also.
I was really frustrated with the book. I really like the character but hated the way he was portrayed here.
I agree, I very much liked the 'white king' version as built by Greg Rucka, and the Geoff Johns version. Not sure about this one, which is more Stark crossed with Pym and the flashpoint Thomas Wayne.

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:34 am
by keith71_98
Trev wrote:
keith71_98 wrote:
BobBretall wrote: I was on the fence about Mr. Terrific, it's not yet earned a slot on my pull list. I had some issues with the dialogue also.
I was really frustrated with the book. I really like the character but hated the way he was portrayed here.
I agree, I very much liked the 'white king' version as built by Greg Rucka, and the Geoff Johns version. Not sure about this one, which is more Stark crossed with Pym and the flashpoint Thomas Wayne.


True. And again, the ridiculous dialogue and forced racial....commentary I guess? It just didn't work for me on any level and that's a shame.

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:59 am
by abysslord
Btw, Mister Terrific says he's the third smartest .... are we supposed to know who is 1 and 2? or is that just a "humorous" statement.

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:08 am
by BobBretall
abysslord wrote:Btw, Mister Terrific says he's the third smartest .... are we supposed to know who is 1 and 2? or is that just a "humorous" statement.
That's a holdover from pre-Flashpoint.

EDIT: Looks like they have never actually named #1 & 2, though he's been "3rd smartest for a while".

From a CBR interview:
CBR News: First and foremost, Mister Terrific is the world's third-smartest man. To set the record straight once and for all, who is the smartest and second smartest?

Eric Wallace: I'm not telling you, but I know the answers. The real question is… does Michael know who #1 and #2 are? And yes, this is something we actually deal with early on in the series.

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:26 am
by Trev
abysslord wrote:Btw, Mister Terrific says he's the third smartest .... are we supposed to know who is 1 and 2? or is that just a "humorous" statement.
maybe it's some effort to draw a tighter analogue to Pym? isn't he the '3rd smartest' in the Marvel U?

Maybe this started as some kind of avengers story and morphed from there?