Final Crisis #3 (with spoilers)

Post by **JohnMayo** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:59 pm

The big profit in releasing something in both periodical issues and as a collected edition is the "double dipping." The publisher is able to sell both formats. While they might sell more of the collected edition if it never came out in the periodical format (although that isn't guaranteed), they make a lot more money off the periodical issues in most cases. Granted, there are major exceptions to that like Watchmen and Walking Dead.

laseraw · Post by **laseraw** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:17 pm

i see....
so John, from what you mentioned on your opening comment, the final crisis director's cut #1 wasn't worth it... right?

i heard on raging bullets that it did provide a detailed commentary by both creators...
i haven't even seen it, so i believed it would be some sketch variant type of thing with pages of the original script.
the RB reference gave me hope of it being actually worth it...

i love dvd commentaries and extras, when they are well done, and would like to see a comic book deliver the same concept successfully.

Post by **JohnMayo** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:27 pm

laseraw wrote:i see....
so John, from what you mentioned on your opening comment, the final crisis director's cut #1 wasn't worth it... right?

i heard on raging bullets that it did provide a detailed commentary by both creators...
i haven't even seen it, so i believed it would be some sketch variant type of thing with pages of the original script.
the RB reference gave me hope of it being actually worth it...

i love dvd commentaries and extras, when they are well done, and would like to see a comic book deliver the same concept successfully.

It sort of is and isn't worth the money.

The art was just the line work with no colors or lettering. The script was interesting but no overly informative. The commentary was a sentence or two per page/double page spread from each Morrison and Jones of a mutual admiration society slant. (Which makes sense and not off-putting in any way, it just wasn't overly informative either.)

If you are expecting an annotated version of the comic, this isn't it.

I'm a process junkie so I don't regret getting it. But it was a little underwhelming in some respects. But, frankly, most "director cut" comics feel that way to me. Now, if they have gone page by page with a page worth of solid commentary (like a commentary track on a DVD runs the length of the movie), then I might have been a lot more impressed.

If you are on a budget, you might want to skip this. If you are loving Final Crisis or are a process junkie (and have money to burn), this provides some (but not tons) of insight into the series.

Post by **JohnMayo** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:45 pm

And it is a Nazi Supergirl, not Mary Marvel in Final Crisis #3. The symbol registered like more of a lightning bolt in my mind for some reason making me think Mary Marvel. My mistake.

laseraw · Post by **laseraw** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:33 am

johnmayo wrote: ...I'm a process junkie so I don't regret getting it. But it was a little underwhelming in some respects. But, frankly, most "director cut" comics feel that way to me. Now, if they have gone page by page with a page worth of solid commentary (like a commentary track on a DVD runs the length of the movie), then I might have been a lot more impressed....

i think i share with you the "addiction" to process unveiling john.
there's many dvd's i bought just for the extras, even if i didn't like the movie that much.
not all films are successful as such but, the effort put to them is outstanding; so on a dvd, if the content is worth it, i'm there!

however, it is too bad this "dvd like" feature has not been fully achieved on comic books yet, in my opinion.
i love seeing conceptual sketches, pencils, rejected covers and scenes, parts of the script, initial pitches or alternate story lines, as we see on some tpb/hc editions but i do think they could go a step further, adapting to the format more.
also, i do wonder if the attempts i've seen, particularly on monthlies, have all had an "documental" interest behind them or, where just rather "milking the cow" a bit further...

in this case i'll try to see it before i do buy it, i do like how the artwork functions on the book, but i'm not that crazy about the graphic craft behind it, dont have the interest of seeing it un-inked.
it would be kind of fun for me, however, to see all the photo referencing he j.g. used... probably with a number of local models, family, friends along with himself and stuff like that...

there's a good chance this stuff wont be included on a TPB/HC edition so i may end up getting it.

BobBretall · Post by **BobBretall** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 7:30 am

laseraw wrote: also, i do wonder if the attempts i've seen (e.g. Director's Cuts) , particularly on monthlies, have all had an "documental" interest behind them or, where just rather "milking the cow" a bit further...

In my opinion, they are mostly just companies going back to the well trying to get fans to buy the same material a 2nd time.

In a movie, the "Director's cut" (in theory) is an ability for a director to get his "true vision" of a film out there after some studio exec screwed up the original release to make it more commercial.

Unfortunately, most director cut movies are not this either and are just marketing departments milking the fans to buy the movie again also.

When a "Director's Cut" comic comes out a couple months after the original comic, I just wonder, "Gee, why couldn't you just have put that extra info in the comic in the first place?" -OR- "Why couldn't you put both versions out at the same time and let me choose if I wanted to buy the regular one or the one with the extras for $1 more?"

I resent having them come back a few months later to try to get me to buy the same material with a few extras all over again.