LET'S TALK: DC 2.0

Danscomics · Post by **Danscomics** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:00 am

HassanT wrote:
BobBretall wrote:Wow! Looks like May is "Crossover Month" @ DC
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page ... e&id=36966

"Night of the Owls" (11 tie-ins)
ALL-STAR WESTERN #9
BATMAN #9
BATMAN ANNUAL #1
BATMAN: THE DARK KNIGHT #9
BATWING #9
BATMAN AND ROBIN #9
BATGIRL #9
BIRDS OF PREY #9
RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS #9
NIGHTWING #9
CATWOMAN #9

"The Culling" (5 tie-ins)
TEEN TITANS ANNUAL #1
“THE CULLING” begins here!
SUPERBOY #9
LEGION LOST #9
TEEN TITANS #9
“THE CULLING” finale!
THE RAVAGERS #1
First issue of a new series spinning directly out of “THE CULLING!”

JUSTICE LEAGUE INTERNATIONAL #9
Special crossover with this month’s FIRESTORM #9!
THE FURY OF FIRESTORM: THE NUCLEAR MEN #9

BLUE BEETLE #9
GREEN LANTERN: NEW GUARDIANS #9
Continued from BLUE BEETLE #9.

SUICIDE SQUAD #9
RESURRECTION MAN #9
Continued from this month’s SUICIDE SQUAD #9
I wish DC wouldn't do so many crossovers so soon. That said, I believe that the Batman titles are tie-ins and not actual crossovers. For example, the story does not begin in one issue and then is continued into another.

The others are actual crossovers. You can tell by the solicits, the Teen Titans and other titles actual say "Continued in this month's XXX book".

I'm glad that the Batman books are going to be tie ins, but it looks like I'm going to be dropping some of the other titles I read come May. I was already on the fence with JLI and Superboy and don't plan on buying extra books to complete those stories. Teen Titans I will probably just skip those #9 and the Annual and pick back up with #10 depending on how I feel after #8.

I may have to buy Blue Beetle though because I am enjoying Green Lantern New Guardians.

boshuda · Post by **boshuda** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:14 pm

BobBretall wrote:Wow! Looks like May is "Crossover Month" @ DC
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page ... e&id=36966

"Night of the Owls" (11 tie-ins)
ALL-STAR WESTERN #9
BATMAN #9
BATMAN ANNUAL #1
BATMAN: THE DARK KNIGHT #9
BATWING #9
BATMAN AND ROBIN #9
BATGIRL #9
BIRDS OF PREY #9
RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS #9
NIGHTWING #9
CATWOMAN #9

"The Culling" (5 tie-ins)
TEEN TITANS ANNUAL #1
“THE CULLING” begins here!
SUPERBOY #9
LEGION LOST #9
TEEN TITANS #9
“THE CULLING” finale!
THE RAVAGERS #1
First issue of a new series spinning directly out of “THE CULLING!”

JUSTICE LEAGUE INTERNATIONAL #9
Special crossover with this month’s FIRESTORM #9!
THE FURY OF FIRESTORM: THE NUCLEAR MEN #9

BLUE BEETLE #9
GREEN LANTERN: NEW GUARDIANS #9
Continued from BLUE BEETLE #9.

SUICIDE SQUAD #9
RESURRECTION MAN #9
Continued from this month’s SUICIDE SQUAD #9

If I wasn't dropping JLI, this would cause me to. I think I'll take a page out of your book, Bob, and skip Green Lantern: New Guardians #9 and Suicide Squad #9. I didn't like Blue Beetle and Resurrection Man was only OK.

The nice thing about the Night of the Owls (event? crossover?) is that it creates a great switch-to-trades point.

BobBretall · Post by **BobBretall** » Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:36 am

"The Culling" (5 tie-ins)
TEEN TITANS ANNUAL #1
“THE CULLING” begins here!
SUPERBOY #9
LEGION LOST #9
TEEN TITANS #9
“THE CULLING” finale!
THE RAVAGERS #1
First issue of a new series spinning directly out of “THE CULLING!”

I'm kind of conflicted on the Annuals. I think it's too soon for DC to be whipping out "Annuals". It's stuff shipping in May. I think they should have held off until July/August. I don't buy Legion Lost, I'm not going to buy an issue just because it's in this crossover. I haven't liked any of the Wildstorm re-treads so far in the New52, so I'm kind of skeptical about Ravagers.

I'll for sure be getting Superboy & Titans, but if these start feeling like they are too intertwined with other books I don't read, I could easily drop them.

JUSTICE LEAGUE INTERNATIONAL #9
Special crossover with this month’s FIRESTORM #9!
THE FURY OF FIRESTORM: THE NUCLEAR MEN #9

I don't get either of these, so no effect on me.

BLUE BEETLE #9
GREEN LANTERN: NEW GUARDIANS #9
Continued from BLUE BEETLE #9.

I get both of these already, so I'll get these with no problem.

SUICIDE SQUAD #9
RESURRECTION MAN #9
Continued from this month’s SUICIDE SQUAD #9

I don't get Suicide Squad, this crossover won't get me to start. I'll read Res Man & hope that the story is comprehensible without reading the 1st part. If not, future DC crossover may get me to start dropping more books, the opposite effect from what they are going for.

Paul Nolan · Post by **Paul Nolan** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:17 am

If the majority of Crossovers are similar to the appearance of Supergirl in Superboy, I have no problems with them.

BobBretall · Post by **BobBretall** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:52 am

Paul Nolan wrote:If the majority of Crossovers are similar to the appearance of Supergirl in Superboy, I have no problems with them.

That was more of a "guest appearance". When they bill stories as "Part 1 of 2" or "continued from xxxx", then I worry a little more about feeling like I'm getting an incomplete story if I don't get all the parts.

It's possible for a writer to do a story in such a way as to make it seem like you're not missing the "Meat" of the story, but not all of the DC writers nowadays have that kind of control over their craft.

comicm · Post by **comicm** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:06 pm

After 6 months here are my rankings of the new 52. Quite a bit has happened since my initial assessment. Especially with Superman.

OMAC
All Star Western
Animal Man
Blue Beetle
Captain Atom
Aquaman
Batwoman
Catwoman
Batgirl
Suicide Squad
Demon Knights
Birds of Prey
Swamp Thing
Resurrection Man
Frankenstein Agent of S.H.A.D.E.
Batman
Flash
Justice League
DC Comics Presents:
Green Lantern Corps
Supergirl
Nightwing
Justice League Dark
Batwing
Green Lantern
Red Lanterns
Mister Terrific
I, Vampire
Savage Hawkman
Stormwatch
Wonder Woman
Detective Comics
Batman and Robin
Deathstroke
Blackhawks
Justice League International
Superboy
Voodoo
Green Arrow
Batman The Dark Knight
Red Hood and the Outlaws
Teen Titans
Legion Lost
Grifter
Green Lantern New Guardians
Fury of Firestorm
Men of War
Hawk and Dove
Static Shock
Legion of Super-heroes
Action Comics
Superman

BobBretall · Post by **BobBretall** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:45 pm

comicm wrote:After 6 months here are my rankings of the new 52. Quite a bit has happened since my initial assessment. Especially with Superman.

I started with all 52, dropped a bunch after #3, a bunch more after #6, and a few more based on the trajectory the title seems to be on after #6 (cross-overs & changing tone of series). Sticking super-heroes into I, Vampire and doing a big crossovers with the teen franchise caused me to drop both of those.

I'm loving All-Star Western, but I'm glad they seem to be moving out of Gotham & on to New Orleans.

Of the ones that are left (20 of 52), here is how I'm liking them:

Top third
Aquaman
Demon Knights
All-Star Western
Resurrection Man
Batwoman
Flash
Blue Beetle

Middle third
Animal Man
Swamp Thing
Action Comics
Supergirl
Superman
Batman & Robin
Green Lantern

Bottom third
Batgirl
Batman (I'm not a big fan of this "court of owls" thing)
Catwoman
GL Corps
GL New Guardians
Nightwing

boshuda · Post by **boshuda** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:07 am

I wasn't collecting much DC before Flashpoint, and I started with all 52 for the first 4 issues. I dropped the titles I hated (some of them beyond issue #2 still sit unread - possibly forever). I am now beginning to drop titles I'm not loving. Here's my 'ranking' of what's left:

Aquaman
Wonder Woman
Batman
Batman and Robin
Red Hood and the Outlaws (I almost didn't continue this one - issue #1 left me cold and I barely read #2 and #3. By #3 I wanted more more more)
Animal Man
Demon Knights
Flash
Action Comics
Detective Comics
Green Lantern/New Guardians/Corps
Teen Titans (Another one I hated after issue #1, but now it's quite enjoyable)
Batman The Dark Knight
Swamp Thing
Nightwing (Almost didn't continue this one, but it picked up steam around issue 3/4)
Frankenstein Agent of Shade
Deathstroke
Suicide Squad
Superman
Batwoman
Batgirl
Supergirl
Superboy (This one had such a cool concept/implementation - but I'm wishing he would fully emerge as a proper hero already, and just spin off Gen 13 already and get the Wildstorm stuff out)
I, Vampire
Justice League Dark
All Star Western (I was absolutely loving this, but now it's rapidly approaching the cancellation status)
Justice League (Love the art, but the story is just 'meh')
Being dropped for sure, looking for a jump off point:
Justice League International (I think I was collecting this one because I enjoyed both Guy Gardner and Booster Gold so very much in the pre-nuDCU. I'm going to use the money I save to buy up the old Booster Gold stuff in trades. I'm really looking forward to reading his interactions with Blue Beetle.)

Notable mention: OMAC - this was easily in my top 5, but now it's gone

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I'm discovering that when the Wildstorm characters play a significant role I'm not interested. I expect to be dropping Superman after Helspont appears.

abysslord · Post by **abysslord** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:15 am

Like everyone else, I tried all 52 and have since chopped some. My list, in a tier order like Bob, is:

Top tier:

Aquaman
Batman
Batwoman
Blue Beetle [I wouldn't have even gotten this by itself]
Detective Comics
Flash
I, Vampire
Justice League Dark
Suicide Squad
Superman
Swamp Thing
Teen Titans

Middle tier:

Action Comics
Batwing
Birds of Prey
Catwoman
Demon Knights
Green Lantern: New Guardians
Green Lantern
Justice League
Resurrection Man

Then this tier are titles I enjoy but if I had a budget I'd probably drop them right now:

Animal Man
Batgirl
Batman Dark Knight
Batman and Robin
Green Lantern Corps
Justice League International
Legion Lost
Nightwing
Red Hood
Red Lanterns
Stormwatch
Superboy
Supergirl
Wonder Woman

Animal Man could pick up with the artist change. The story wasn't THAT great either but I liked it enough. Plus I love Swamp Thing and since it's crossing over I'll stick it out til at least that stuff.

BobBretall · Post by **BobBretall** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:33 pm

boshuda wrote: I'm discovering that when the Wildstorm characters play a significant role I'm not interested. I expect to be dropping Superman after Helspont appears.

I feel the same way. My feelings towards the WS characters ranges from indifference to outright dislike. When stories feel like they're shoehorning in the WS characters I quickly become disinterested.

boshuda · Post by **boshuda** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:55 pm

BobBretall wrote:
boshuda wrote: I'm discovering that when the Wildstorm characters play a significant role I'm not interested. I expect to be dropping Superman after Helspont appears.
I feel the same way. My feelings towards the WS characters ranges from indifference to outright dislike. When stories feel like they're shoehorning in the WS characters I quickly become disinterested.

Did you have preconceived notions of the Wildstorm characters? The few characters I was familiar with I liked. I really enjoyed Gen 13 back in the day, and WildC.A.T.s was one of my favorite original Image books (when they bothered to ship it, of course). Plus they're already "younger, hipper, cooler", whatever, than the DC characters as a general rule. As a result I expected to like the books with them. But they do feel shoehorned, badly.

BobBretall · Post by **BobBretall** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:43 am

boshuda wrote: Did you have preconceived notions of the Wildstorm characters?

I was never a fan of any previous incarnations of the characters, so I was not expecting them to be any certain way. I was not predisposed to like them or dislike them, I just read the stories in the New52 and none of the WS character ones seemed to resonate with me.

boshuda wrote: Plus they're already "younger, hipper, cooler", whatever, than the DC characters as a general rule.

This might be the problem. I'm not the target demographic for younger/hipper/cooler characters.

The 90s were some very dark days for comics, from my POV. I dropped my comic consumption WAAAAY back in the 90s. If we're coming back around to 90s stuff again, that may be why my consumption of Marvel/DC is dropping again. (I lump in Marvel on the basis of "Scarlet Spider" which made the explicit statement of trying to recapture the 90s).

BobBretall · Post by **BobBretall** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:41 am

I just gave a handful of the "New 52" title I dropped a 2nd chance. I picked up a wad of books for $1 each at a local comic show yesterday and gave these books a read this morning:

Batman: The Dark Knight #5 - Why is it that so many Batman stories have to involve him verging on insanity or hallucinating. I had a hard time telling if Superman was really there or if Batman was imagining him. Batman should not be able to punch Superman thru a wall, so I'm leaning towards hallucination. Nothing about this book made me want to buy this on a continuing basis.

Captain Atom #5 & #6 - What has happened to Freddie Williams art style? I used to like his art so much, but this new style leave me absolutely cold. The art made it difficult to get into the story and the story was impenetrable. Not my cup of tea.

Frankenstein #6 - My favorite of the bunch, but I'm not a fan of the art. If this had an artist I liked I'd be getting it.

Legion Lost #5 - Could not really get into the story, so poor storytelling overall. Any comic should provide an entry point for a new reader.

Men of War #4 & #5 - I wish they'd just tell a straight war story. Not my cup of tea. Matt Kindt was trying too hard on the "Knife Fight" backup story in #5, it came off as muddled with the interleaved monologues from the 2 combatants.

Red Lanterns #5 & #6 - Wow. This is pretty much unreadable. And why does Bleez's skin color fluctuate between blue & white?

Static Shock #5 - This was terrible. I wish they would have left John Rozum alone to write what he wanted. I can see why he'd want his name taken off this series.

Conclusion:
I think I dropped the right books.

BobBretall · Post by **BobBretall** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:50 pm

Chris Roberson end his relationship with DC:
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/20 ... dc-comics/

“Aside from the Fairest arc I already committed to doing, iZombie will be the last time I’ll ever write for DC,” he said, following it later with “I decided quite some time ago, but waited until after the cancellation of my book was announced to discuss it. The short version is, I don’t agree with the way they treat other creators and their general business practices.” The cancellation of iZombie, the Vertigo title Roberson does with Mike Allred, was announced at the Emerald City ComiCon earlier this month.

iZombie ends with #28.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/04/20/ ... f-fairest/

he has now been told he won’t be writing that Fairest arc anymore. He tweets “Sorry to disappoint anyone, but I won’t be writing a Fairest arc after all. It was decided my services were no longer required.”

Not surprising. Once he publicly denounced DC, they decided they didn't want him hanging around doing his last arc on Fairest. Too bad, I really enjoyed his Cinderella story arcs.

abysslord · Post by **abysslord** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:37 pm

Is Vertigo truly creator-owned in that he can start an iZombie title at Image if he wanted to?

My only wish is that if people come out like Chris did, to be more specific. As long as you're factual and write intelligently I think it can do other people some good to air out what happens behind doors. Maybe a young writer will read it and take that into consideration.

But I guess he's referring to the Before Watchman .... or maybe something else.