LET'S TALK: DC 2.0

abysslord · Post by **abysslord** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:45 am

HassanT wrote:The rumor has now been confirmed. JSA is coming back, but it will be based on Earth 2. Makes sense if the JLA is supposed to be the first super-hero team and Superman the first super-hero.

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/08/27 ... e-society/

http://ifanboy.com/articles/fanexpo11-d ... ola-scott/

BTW, this weekend I am trying to catch up on all of my DC comics so that when the new 52 begins, I could just concentrate on the relaunch stories.

Being a DC newbie, how is JSA different than JLA? Just different time period or characters?

Paul Nolan · Post by **Paul Nolan** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:00 am

abysslord wrote:Does anyone know why OMAC seems to be so wildly hated? Is it the writer, Didio, or has this character been done before and it didn't work?

I just don't know why everyone seems to think this series will suck as opposed to Static Shock or Resurrection Man or any other lesser known titles.

Well firstly, Resurrection Man Vol 1 is a highly regarded title. With the original writers coming back for more it'd be a HUGE surprise if it sucked...

Didio's writing was quite widely panned for his stint on the Outsiders.

as for the Earth 2 thing. I'm deeply dissapointed they're bringing back such convoluted rubbish so quickly. Have ONE universe and stick with it.

abysslord · Post by **abysslord** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:21 am

Paul Nolan wrote:
abysslord wrote:Does anyone know why OMAC seems to be so wildly hated? Is it the writer, Didio, or has this character been done before and it didn't work?

I just don't know why everyone seems to think this series will suck as opposed to Static Shock or Resurrection Man or any other lesser known titles.
Well firstly, Resurrection Man Vol 1 is a highly regarded title. With the original writers coming back for more it'd be a HUGE surprise if it sucked...

Was it a planned "volume 1" or was it cancelled?

And I agree about the Earth 2. They're "relaunching" to kind of erase convoluted histories so new readers can come on, and immediately they're introducing a parallel universe. I guess it isn't too bad but it's just opening a new door for things to get messy really quick.

BobBretall · Post by **BobBretall** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:34 am

HassanT wrote:The rumor has now been confirmed. JSA is coming back, but it will be based on Earth 2. Makes sense if the JLA is supposed to be the first super-hero team and Superman the first super-hero.

Sounds cool. I could be down for an Earth-2 JSA title. HOWEVER, if they really expand the Earth-2 line to a bunch of titles (Dynamite-style), I might just pull back and skip them all.

HassanT wrote: BTW, this weekend I am trying to catch up on all of my DC comics so that when the new 52 begins, I could just concentrate on the relaunch stories.

I'm doing the same thing. Read 35 comics yesterday, caught up on all Batman family & Legion stuff. I have a similar pile to plow thru today.

BobBretall · Post by **BobBretall** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:35 am

abysslord wrote:Does anyone know why OMAC seems to be so wildly hated? Is it the writer, Didio, or has this character been done before and it didn't work?

I wasn't aware the title was "widely hated". I must not be going to the places on the internet where the hate is freely flowing.

BobBretall · Post by **BobBretall** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:39 am

abysslord wrote: Being a DC newbie, how is JSA different than JLA? Just different time period or characters?

JSA has historically been made up of the Golden Age incarnations of the heroes (and JSA debuted in the GA), while JLA was the Silver Age incarnations.

Prior to Crisis on Infinite Earths, all the JSA stories took place on "Earth 2" which was DC's Golden Age world. JLA took place on Earth 1, the Silver Age earth.

After CoIE, they merged all the earths together and they just had older versions of the heroes co-existing with the new guys.

So....JSA has the Golden Age takes on heroes like the Jay Garrick Flash, Alan Scott GL, etc.

Paul Nolan · Post by **Paul Nolan** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:56 am

abysslord wrote:
Paul Nolan wrote:
abysslord wrote:Does anyone know why OMAC seems to be so wildly hated? Is it the writer, Didio, or has this character been done before and it didn't work?

I just don't know why everyone seems to think this series will suck as opposed to Static Shock or Resurrection Man or any other lesser known titles.
Well firstly, Resurrection Man Vol 1 is a highly regarded title. With the original writers coming back for more it'd be a HUGE surprise if it sucked...
Was it a planned "volume 1" or was it cancelled?

It lasted 27 issues (including the 1,000,000 issue) and was probably cancelled due to sales. But there were a lot of fantastic, critically acclaimed series that had the same fate. Tom Peyer's Hourman, Major Bummer, Chronus, Chase, Aztek.

People wouldn't take the chance on something different. Hopefully this relaunch will give the confidence to give different concepts a try.

HassanT · Post by **HassanT** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:06 pm

BobBretall wrote:
HassanT wrote:The rumor has now been confirmed. JSA is coming back, but it will be based on Earth 2. Makes sense if the JLA is supposed to be the first super-hero team and Superman the first super-hero.
Sounds cool. I could be down for an Earth-2 JSA title. HOWEVER, if they really expand the Earth-2 line to a bunch of titles (Dynamite-style), I might just pull back and skip them all.

I agree. To be honest, spin-offs don't upset me when they are spin-offs on successful books. But it seems that publishers try to force a franchise on the readers before it can be considered a franchise.

abysslord · Post by **abysslord** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:25 pm

BobBretall wrote:
abysslord wrote: Being a DC newbie, how is JSA different than JLA? Just different time period or characters?
JSA has historically been made up of the Golden Age incarnations of the heroes (and JSA debuted in the GA), while JLA was the Silver Age incarnations.

Prior to Crisis on Infinite Earths, all the JSA stories took place on "Earth 2" which was DC's Golden Age world. JLA took place on Earth 1, the Silver Age earth.

After CoIE, they merged all the earths together and they just had older versions of the heroes co-existing with the new guys.

So....JSA has the Golden Age takes on heroes like the Jay Garrick Flash, Alan Scott GL, etc.

That was a perfect explanation and what I was wondering about, thanks. I think that sounds kind of cool now that I think about it, it sort of makes those fans who love the older characters happy without sacrificing. I'd probably check it out.

BobBretall · Post by **BobBretall** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:21 pm

Paul Nolan wrote: It lasted 27 issues (including the 1,000,000 issue) and was probably cancelled due to sales. But there were a lot of fantastic, critically acclaimed series that had the same fate. Tom Peyer's Hourman, Major Bummer, Chronus, Chase, Aztek.

People wouldn't take the chance on something different. Hopefully this relaunch will give the confidence to give different concepts a try.

A great example of this is Xombi, that's pretty much cancelled as of the relaunch. Of of the best & most different things DC was doing. It's probably the "different" that doomed it.

PS: Read another 39 DC comics today. Caught up on the Superman family titles, Zatanna, Wonder Woman, Justice League & Green Arrow. I should be able to get all the DC stuff caught up by the relaunch.

abysslord · Post by **abysslord** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:08 pm

I have to say, Xombi was alright but it seemed too much like weird thoughts just to be weird sometimes. Like the husks being creatures made of flies/wasps dying by trying to fly through a window. It's one of those "Ah, that's creative" but ultimately doesn't do anything for the story. That is kind of how I felt about Xombi, both volumes.

BobBretall · Post by **BobBretall** » Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:33 am

abysslord wrote:I have to say, Xombi was alright but it seemed too much like weird thoughts just to be weird sometimes. Like the husks being creatures made of flies/wasps dying by trying to fly through a window. It's one of those "Ah, that's creative" but ultimately doesn't do anything for the story. That is kind of how I felt about Xombi, both volumes.

Xombi is like a weird Indie book published by DC. I'm not surprised that it does not resonate with the audience. It's exactly the "weird" that makes me love it.

TNPredsFan · Post by **TNPredsFan** » Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:58 pm

Looks like DC is tired of turning the other cheek.

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/08/29 ... john-rood/

Many in the industry are under the wrong impression that we want to “win the month” at all costs with sales of DC Comics – The New 52. Sure, we’d love to get our books into more hands than ever before, profitably. But it’s most important that any industry growth comes in an additive manner, so that all publishers may succeed. To be clear – DC is not a market-share-chaser. If we were, we would not be creating a quality lasting direction across a controlled number of titles. We would instead be flooding the market with over 200 titles a month, changing your prices with abandon, killing off a character every quarter or so, and/or randomly announcing decimal-pointed event-ish thingies. We haven’t.

Gilgabob · Post by **Gilgabob** » Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:02 pm

BobBretall wrote:
abysslord wrote: Being a DC newbie, how is JSA different than JLA? Just different time period or characters?
JSA has historically been made up of the Golden Age incarnations of the heroes (and JSA debuted in the GA), while JLA was the Silver Age incarnations.

Prior to Crisis on Infinite Earths, all the JSA stories took place on "Earth 2" which was DC's Golden Age world. JLA took place on Earth 1, the Silver Age earth.

After CoIE, they merged all the earths together and they just had older versions of the heroes co-existing with the new guys.

So....JSA has the Golden Age takes on heroes like the Jay Garrick Flash, Alan Scott GL, etc.

I wish they wouldn't do this. They cleaned up the mess with Crisis and now they are going to make the same mistake again. If they want the JSA then just have them in the main DC universe and be done with it.

abysslord · Post by **abysslord** » Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:22 pm

TNPredsFan wrote:Looks like DC is tired of turning the other cheek.

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/08/29 ... john-rood/

Many in the industry are under the wrong impression that we want to “win the month” at all costs with sales of DC Comics – The New 52. Sure, we’d love to get our books into more hands than ever before, profitably. But it’s most important that any industry growth comes in an additive manner, so that all publishers may succeed. To be clear – DC is not a market-share-chaser. If we were, we would not be creating a quality lasting direction across a controlled number of titles. We would instead be flooding the market with over 200 titles a month, changing your prices with abandon, killing off a character every quarter or so, and/or randomly announcing decimal-pointed event-ish thingies. We haven’t.

That's pretty good, especially about the decimal point things. But hasn't DC done a few of those things in the past too?

And to be fair, it's easy to say you're not a "market-share-chaser" when you haven't won that in .... 40 years?